Withdrawing USD Funds from Philippine-Based Paypal Account Using TransferWise Borderless Account
This is a response tou/sgicruz*'s post:* Best way to receive USD payment into a USD savings account?I created a post since this is a bit long comparison. If you are transferring large amounts of USD from Paypal (i.e. >USD 2,000 at a time), you are forced by Paypal to withdraw in PHP, since you cannot withdraw USD directly to Philippine-based USD accounts. Instead, you can use the TransferWise Borderless Account. The Borderless Account allows you to hold multiple currencies on the account, and also provides USD US Bank Account details (also GBP, Euro, AUD, NZD) which can receive funds via local ACH (automated clearing house). Paypal can withdraw USD funds via US ACH. (There is a verification step before being assigned bank account details: see footnote at the bottom of my post)* For comparison, below are three scenarios:
Total fees: PHP 200 (for USD 2,000 sample computation) (Note: if you use GCash, I think total fee is always PHP 0, subject to wallet and transaction limits) Exchange Rate (sample for May 8, 2020): 1 USD => PHP 48.9414 Net PHP received thru bank: PHP 97,682.70 (BDO) or PHP 97,882.70 (GCash) Paypal's PHP-USD buy/sell spread is horrendous at around ~3.0-3.5% compared to the mid-market rate. But this is still a valid option if (1) you are withdrawing small amounts, or (2) you need instant access to cash. --------------------------- 2. Paypal -> (Withdraw to US Bank Account) -> TransferWise Borderless Account -> (Send USD via SWIFT) -> BDO USD Savings Account Associated fees (sample computation for USD 2,000):
Paypal withdrawal from USD balance to US Bank Account = USD 35.00 (flat fee)
TransferWise fee for USD transfer over SWIFT = USD 1.40+3.20 = USD 4.60 (flat fee)
SWIFT intermediary/correspondent bank fees = USD 15.00 (flat fee, but can vary from 0-60 USD depending on route taken and on int'l bank relationships your local USD bank has)
BDO Incoming SWIFT Remittance = USD 5.00 (flat fee)
Total fees: 59.60 USD Net USD received thru bank: USD 1940.40 If your ultimate goal is to get the funds in PHP, we can try exchanging the USD to PHP via BDO Exchange Rate (sample for May 8, 2020): 1 USD => PHP 50.0000 (BDO USD Buy rates) Net PHP received thru bank: PHP 97,020.00 There are a lot of fixed fees, so this will only be economical for large amounts of USD (probably >USD 3,000). In addition, BDO's PHP-USD buy/sell spread is around ~0.5-1.0% compared to the mid-market rate. Paypal withdrawal to US bank account takes around 1-2 banking days, while SWIFT transfers take around 1-5 banking days. --------------------------- An alternative is to send PHP directly from TransferWise. This is cheaper than Paypal or even the USD route described above. This is because TransferWise's exchange rate uses the mid-market rate, and they have transparent fees. In addition, TransferWise -> Local PHP Savings Account settles in minutes, as opposed to the SWIFT USD transfer above (which can take anywhere from 2-5 banking days). 3. Paypal -> (Withdraw to US Bank Account) -> TransferWise Borderless Account -> (Send PHP via ACH [this means Bancnet]) -> Local PHP Savings Account Associated fees (sample computation for USD 2,000):
Paypal withdrawal from USD balance to TransferWise US Bank Account = USD 35 (flat fee)
TransferWise fee for PHP transfer over ACH (Bancnet) = USD 12.01
Total fees: USD 47.01 Net USD for conversion: USD 1952.99 Exchange Rate (sample for May 8, 2020): 1 USD => 50.4800 PHP Net PHP received thru bank: PHP 98,586.93 Paypal withdrawal to US bank account takes around 1-2 banking days, while TransferWise USD-PHP ACH (Bancnet) settles in minutes. --------------------------- *To receive your own USD bank account details, you're required to "Add Money" at least GBP 20 or its equivalent (maybe USD 25). This is their verification requirement. I recommend adding money using Visa/Mastercard Debit Card: TransferWise has around 4.5% fees for the Debit Card Add Money option, so it's going to cost around ~PHP 60 in fees. I recommend using CIMB ATM card if you have, since they currently (as of May 8, 2020) do not charge forex conversion fees. If not, any Visa/Mastercard debit card will do (including BDO Visa ATM cards). --------------------------- TLDR; For relatively small amounts, withdraw directly from Paypal to PHP bank account. Best choice is Paypal -> GCash (no inward remittance fee). For larger amounts, withdraw USD from Paypal to TransferWise Borderless Account, then send PHP via ACH (Bancnet) to Philippine PHP Savings account. But if you want to keep the amount as USD: withdraw USD from Paypal to TransferWise Borderless Account, then send USD via SWIFT to Philippine USD Savings account.
Just wanted to know if illegal ba magtrade using IQ Option or Oanda? Kasi sobrang labo nung mga nilalabas na news, parang gray area ang intindi ko. Sabi nung iba, illegal mag act as broker for forex, sabi naman nung isa, illegal daw in general si forex. Thanks. Haha
Meron ba ditong sobrang marunong about sa laws? Nalalabuan kasi ako sa mga nababasa ko, illegal daw mag forex trading sa pinas. Pero bakit meron ditong IQ Option at Oanda? Ibig sabihin ba nun kapag nagtrade ako gamit platform nila illegal na? Or dahil ba foreign entity sila allowed yun? Thanks hahaha
Are there people doing CFD trading here? If so, please tell us about your trading. Let me start, so I’m with CMC Markets and I trade a mixture of Forex, Commodities, Precious metals and Indices. I’ve been a PH stock trader for such long time and had recently switched to doing CFDs and am loving it
Ever since i started business, I've noticed this cancerous trend of young and old entrepreneurs who have been promoting the "Marketing Master" "Dr" Azizan Osman, who has been exposed in Malaysia for his fake PhD's (but people are just gonna give him a pass so they can feel good about wasting their money to sit in his VIP seminars). Local entrepreneurs who have been duped into his cult "mentorship" will mention his name in every newspaper, radio, video interview to promote him. They will sound very confident about how they have "mastered marketing". There are some youtube videos of his giving business and marketing advice with the emotional background music to lure local entrepreneurs into his trap. His ticket prices go up to almost 4000 myr, and its mostly marketing or business advice you can get from a nice cheap book or browsing the internet or those awesome Jack Ma (alibaba.com) videos (free) on youtube. Why am I so salty? Coz i have a special hate in my heart for MLM's and MLM-ish cults and their deceptive methods of bleeding our people dry, and i hate that his cult slaves are promoting him everywhere. Now I know that mentioning his name here might promote him in a way, but i trust that the majority of the reddit community will not fall into his trap. I wanna know what people think of this cult movement being present in Brunei. Even in the west, marketing or business coaching is considered a new way of ponzi or scamming people. Here is some logic, if youre successful you will share your knowledge for free. This is similar to the "Master Forex Trader" scam where they charge people to teach them how to be a master, and if things go south its your fault, not the scammer.
Need advice if I should continue investing in a forex group
Good day! Would like to seek advice. I have invested in a certain group of forex traders which gives you a certain percentage of your investment every month. In the end of contract you should have received all the promised returns + the original capital, more or less doubling your money. My experience so far has been positive and didn't experienced any delays and fully received all agreed returns + initial investment. I would love to invest again because it is passive income. My only concern is it has been flagged by the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) as illegal and any person involved might be at risked to be investigated by BIR or worse, imprisonment. The forex group's explanation is that 1) their name was used by a third party and they were wrongfully accused and 2) PH does not recognize forex trading yet and they are legit in the other country they are operating in. I trust a lot of people involved with them that is why I was not hesitant in investing the first time. Just want to hear some thoughts from a separate entity. Especially how the PH government recognizes forex trading in general. And help me clear my doubts in investing again. Thank you!
Hi, this is my first reddit post and I hope you can help me. I have a cousin that is being lured by her HS best friend inyo joining FOREX trading. Being an ate, I want to make sure she is safe. I read in some articles kasi that FOREX trading isn't allowed in PH(?) bc of the SEC thinggy dated 2018 pa. details:
at first she was just asked to be a "member" paying 1,000php only and she just needs to wait. I advised her to say no. I don't feel confident with the "antay ka lang tas papasok pera" schemes lol it just don't sit well with me hehe
after 1-2 wks, her friend said verbatim "change of plans, you can now be an account holder yourself"
3.this friend is posting on his IG stories and Twitter about him gaining 25,000php. even posted a photo of something that you'd usually see in forex trading naman(?) question: is forex trading legal in PH? IF YES, are there companies/groups that handles this and with the abovementioned deets, does it sound legit? ALSO, I asked already what "company" handles his trading, but the only answer i got was "forex" i searched already in the internet but nothing came up except,... well definition of forex :(
Sorry but studying technical analysis and back-testing your strategies are just a waste of time
I know we all dream of financial independence and trading for a living. But here, I'm gonna burst your bubble. There are private hedge funds like the famous Renaissance Technologies who employ 200 people with PhDs in Physics, Math, Statistics and Computer Science. They've created insane algorithms using a fleet of supercomputers analyzing every possible combination of technical indicators you can possible imagine -- and some indicators you probably don't know exists. Despite having such enormous resources, Renaissance Technologies average only 40% per year returns after expenses. That is less than 0.1% average profit per day. In other words, these super smart people using computer servers the size of your house can't even consistently turn $100,000 into $100,100 every day. So why should anyone think they can do better? I'm sure there are some who can make money with Forex, but not consistently and surely not enough to live off it.
Was just wondering what your opinions are on when USD forex will go back to pre covid levels. I get paid in USD in my online job and I consider it my extra savings so I’m thinking of what to do, if I should convert or wait. I talked to someone I know who works at a private bank here in the PH and their analysts opinion is baka 1st quarter of 2021 pa.
I graduate with a degree in biology come this December. I love trading and really enjoy looking at charts and the thrill of the whole process of it all. After I graduate, I’m taking 8 months off before I go back for my PhD but in the mean time, I want to dive deep into trading. I’ve been trading on and off for a year and a month now. I’ve made a good amount of money trading but also have lost about 70% of what I’ve earned from it. I’m still in profit, but not where I want to be whatsoever. I started off using supply and demands but they weren’t always reliable. I had a run where I made about $1200 in a day off of trading gold by eye but I’ve been hesitant to try my luck with it again. I know the basis of forex but if I want to make this into a big part of my life rather than just something I do when bored. I’m all in for studying hard to get a good strategy where I can win 70-80% of my trades with minimum loss on the trades I lose. I’ve hit a bit of a road block/mental block and need help getting past it. Any advice or things to study/read or anyone who wants to help mentor me would be greatly appreciated!
Hi! I am a bit older here.35.Single and I want to relocate from India to somewhere colder. Reason of relocation: I have been practicing for last 7-8 years. But I do not feel like practicing for ever is a future for me.I am looking for a new beginning since i feel literally frustrated here.Plus I am sick of living in this Indian summer and wish to relocate in a colder country. Experiences: I am LL.M from a reputed university in India.Currently I am pursuing Ph.D which hopefully would conclude in the next year.I have been practicing intermittently and saved little bit of money. I am an avid nature photographer and wish to pursue a career in Arts field.As a photographer or Writer.I am also certified market trader in India and have experiences in trading Equity and Commodity markets.Since India doesn't allow trading in Forex market what i am hoping for is change in location would allow me to trade in forex market. Choice of Countries: I am not really keen on U.S due to its medical cost.I am looking for a quiet,peaceful country with not much happening type of place.But that country should be at peace,colder and with beautiful landscapes. I have a saving of 25000 USD initially.I may arrange more money if needed. What are my choices?
Hi, I've always been interested in finance and computer science. I am currently a computer science major and I do forex trading on my free time. My dream job is to be a quant. I've always loved math, I would love to live and work in NYC, there are more reasons but lets leave it there, the 1 thing is that I hate school and I don't want a phd. I need a path for my dream job that would not involve spending 8 years of my life in college. Im currently a sophomore and the most i want is a bachelors. Do any of you have any advice? Should i just work on my portfolio and grow as an engineer and statistician or is the only way to see my dream job to get a PhD?
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I got curious about a Learn To Trade ad on facebook so I tried to join the webinar for Learn To Trade. Later on, I dug into google that this might be a scam? Also, found a reddit post confirming it is a scam. Then, I also came across a Abs-Cbn news post that seems to be promoting it. news I am no longer interested in taking the webinar but I am now just curious about the truth. Is it really a scam? Is it really illegal?
Hey phr4r, I'm a young man looking to venture into the world of stock and forex trading. Any useful tips for both? Any sub-threads when it comes to PH stock exchange? Also, any suggestions when it comes to brokers (both national and international levels)? Finally, what is more advantageous: long term or short term investing? Thanks Reddit fam!
First time investor here. Can you recommend an online trading platform?
Hi. I'm not entirely new to stocks and I understand most of the common language but not the principles. I have a few extra cash that I want to to invest in and I think now is a good time to invest. I was looking at trading in options, forex, stocks. I tried opening an account through IQ options and used their demo account to get a bit of a feel in trading. I noticed that everytime I place a put or call option, the price would always be outside of the money. I gained once or twice but mostly, it was all a loss. I did my research and found out that almost all the time, you would lose to a binary trading app. I don't know about stocks though, do you recommend I stay with IQ options? I honestly love their opening balance of just $10. I wanted to trade US / PH stocks, commodities, or forex. Any recommendation on where I can invest? An all in one app would be great. Thanks Edit: how do I actively invest with COL if I don't have a live charts? I noticed that you don't get live charts if your capital is below 25k.
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